Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. All rights reserved. I dont do stock answers. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Cho resigned the next day. Because your worth it! LOL! Some are good, some are bad. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. Firstly in the teaching. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. But to me that is clear what it is. . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. as there are with me. rm. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. Each person will answer to God for themselves. I find this very revealing. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. Do you still endorse it? In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. (Ezek. Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? Simply not true. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. See what mine own hands have wrought. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. I kind of dreaded this type of response. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. Its only your perception and I would deny it. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? Do they not see the danger of this? I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Jenna . PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Name me one church that has handled everything well. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . 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