Let's see what's in our bag of tricks. So, others besides Saul were guilty. The Gibeonites joined in the fight against the Philistines B. Even so, maybe there were even worse problems, perhaps, and David was blind to them for three years. They do what their flesh tells them to dowhat Satan inspires them to want to doand they do it. He just simply rolled over. Why are they where they were? This traditional doctrine, as heard in a Catholic or Protestant church, would say that this sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden rests upon us still. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. DECEPTION AND COST They decided to fight with the Gibeonites and teach them a lesson. Hearing that Joshua was camped in their general neighborhood, after his devastating defeat of the strategic cities of Jericho and Ai, the Gibeonites sent a delegation to him at nearby Gilgal. And these men, they need to be buried. They knew all the things God had stipulated about what they were to do when Israel was going to come into the land. They are two separate things. This was a long time ago. There is a great deal more than what meets the eye. Because of what had been going on, all the turmoil in this life and the kingdom, David was not spiritually prepared to face it. In reading the Psalms, on the other hand, we get an idea of just how grateful he was for God's forgiveness and grace, because I believe he was aware of just what a rotten individual he really was. If people grow up in a society and culture that does not have God at their beck and call, they do whatever they wantwhatever comes naturally. It is not pretty when we allow the people of the land to dictate to us. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. The historical narrative of King David is drawing to a close. You might say a whole cycle of generations. Turn to Exodus 20 and see that right in the Ten Commandments it sounds like it could mean that sin does travel down the family tree. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. That would be a town in Benjamin just north of Jerusalem. After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. SERIES INTRODUCTION Joshua 9:22-24 Then Joshua called for them, and he spoke to them, saying, "Why have you deceived us, saying, 'We are very far from you,' when you dwell near us? but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. WebThe alliance with the Gibeonites lasted for centuries, until Saul - in his zeal (21, 2) - decided that the ancient covenant was no longer binding. "There was a famine in the days of King David for three years, year after year. King David, for example, made huge errors in judgment and committed colossal sins. David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. Finally the light came on, and David said, "I had better ask what is going on here. The Gibeonites actually lived only a few miles from Jericho, the Twelve Tribes' designated entry point to Palestine. 2 Samuel 21:2 At this, David summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. Nearly two-thirds of American professing Christians believe that their Savior sinned. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." What might he have done? How many wars were fought? Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. Saul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. He does not live long past the end of II Samuel. Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death [he cannot buy his way out]. David asked the Gibeonites what punishment would satisfy them and atone for (cover) Sauls sin of murder. Share There is nothing to give you any indication that God was involved in anything except the faminetrying to teach David a lesson. Most, if not all, of those responsible were dead. You are getting later and later in David's life here. WebSaul slew the Gibeonites, not simply as the son of Kish, but as the king of Israel, and therefore involved all Israel with him in the violation of the national oath; and hence, until the evil should be put away by the execution of the immediate offender or his representatives, all Israel must suffer. ", If you are on your spiritual game, and famine is occurring in your land, do you wait three years until thousands may have died? So, he kept his own covenant, but he did not go any further to figure out from God's law to know what should be done in this situation. You had to go up quite a bit. How many rebellions were there? Deuteronomy 19:7-10 Therefore I command you, saying, 'You shall separate three cities for yourself.' The "Great Debate" between Nixon and Kennedy had not occurred yet. Joshua 9:3-6 But when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done to Jericho and Ai, they worked craftily [remember that], and went and pretended to be ambassadors. It wouldnt be surprising if these people had become worshippers of God, from their exposure to the tabernacle and teaching. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. It is very clear, and very simplejust two little verses. It seems as though he was spiritually sleepwalking through this whole thing. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." All it is, was, "We want blood, and anyone from the house of Saul will do.". They did what is recalled in verses 3 through 6 above. How long was the average lifespan at the time? The Bible doesnt really say. This is taken from the book Antiquities of the Jews, pg. 7: AFTER this, when the country was greatly afflicted with a By this time, Moses had died and was buried. But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. I know that he had other family problems because the prophecies said that he would. He is able to judge justly. God punished Adam and Eve for their sin. But so did David. ", Or even after two years. All answers are REVIEWED and MODERATED. The two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul ( v.8 ) All they wanted, they said, was a peace treaty with Israel; then they would return to their distant home. Because David had been good friends with Jonathan, he at first allowed all of Sauls family to continue to live peaceably in the land. In the economy of God's providence, however, such tiny events often matter much. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? If we would go through Luke 21:7-12, we would see that Jesus gave His disciples indications of what would happen if the time of the end began. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD?" But, they like the dark one because he is moody, and doing things not for quite the right reasons. He resolved properlynot without a lot of death, with 70,000 dead in that plague, but at least he had the repentant attitude by the time it was over. The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. Except for verse 21, there is very little mention of God in the whole episode. He enslaved them all, and made them wood cutters and menial laborers at the Tabernacle. They agree to the death of seven of Saul's descendants. I am putting this all together from history. A brief, but important, reference to the Gibeonites can also be found in 2 Samuel 21:1-14. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". He is beyond us; it does not make any sense. King David was perhaps the only converted person in the entire nationmaybe besides the high priest of the time, but we do not know. And it would have been done quickly and easily. (Matthew 14:1921). the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the The Israelite version was a whole lot less absolute. He just weakly said, "Oh okay, whatever you want. Asked August 31 2013 They were the five sons of Merab, Saul's daughter. That is basically how it was. When were threatened by a Philistine attack, Saul he disobeyed Jehovah by offering a sacrifice instead of waiting for Samuel to do it. Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal [Merabsee margin of most Bibles] the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. HERALDS OF HOLOCAUST Joshua did try to make lemonade out of his lemons. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. II Samuel 21:10-11 Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. Vote Up Nob. Lets be clear from the very beginning, David was kind to Mephibosheth for his father Jonathans sake (2 Samuel 9:1). Mephibosheth was only five ye lorraine goode. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. He just let matters continue naturally and let it rub in for another six or seven months. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. What have you been thinking about?". Why wasn't I told about this?" Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. There were no conditions. and for his bloody house. This is like offering them reparations for what Saul had done, and they replied that it was not good enough. It is tainted.". Each generation had to live out its days as "hewers of wood and carriers of water". He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. During Davids reign, the people of Gibeon demanded that all of Sauls children be put to death so as to atone for a severe famine. WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. That is the bottom line. WebThe Philistines decided not to attack D. God gave Saul three options to choose from as he went out against the Philistines. For many today, this time period is ancient history. Eisenhower was still in office. I am just going to start with the backdrop to the incident. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. It is easy to read this story blithely, and to think that David righted some longstanding wrongs that had happened, and then God happily sent rain to the parched land of Israel. It would take three or four generations for perversion to be kicked out of a society. We do not know when it happened. Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." WebThe LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. Why so? No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of They did not ask, "God, what should we do to these people, the Gibeonites? The Gibeonites achieved their short term goal - survival; but they paid a terribly long term price for it - virtual slavery! A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. This famine has been going on for three years, year after year. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." Why were two of Saul's sons and five of Saul's grandsons killed for a crime they didn't commit? The Bible helps us in this way, because it is full of examples of flawed heroes of faith. David represents usJoe Church Membertrue Christians in a time of spiritual famine, much like what Amos describes in Amos 8:11, with the famine of the word. So David asked the Lord for help, and the Lord answered, Saul and his family are guilty of murder, because he had the Gibeonites killed. We have our own sins to pay for; we do not pay for theirs. Then they went back and took Ai. Perhaps trickery will be better than war for us.". Notice God declares that the bloodguilt was not just on Saul, but also his house. The Gibeonites deceived Israel, but God's people had really deceived themselves. Then there are things of degeneracy. Based on what he knew, and what was available in God's law, David should have been much more judicious. He allowed his actions to be dictated by the Gentile principle of retributionvengeancerather than God's law on such matters. What did David do to end the famine caused by Saul breaking a treaty with the Gibeonites? It would have been the answer. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. But it appears at least 40, maybe 50 years in the past. (1) A three-year famine prompts David to seek God. Throughout the centuries, the original Gibeonites continued to exist as a people, although King Saul schemed to destroy them. The Gibeonites, howev The children of Israel gathered and went across the Jordan River, and set up camp at Gilgal. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. For a relatively small group the Gibeonites drove a hard bargain and soon it was a done deal. They engaged in battle, and Israel won, but the people and king Saul said, "Look at all this nice livestock! II Samuel 21:1-2 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Does the devil have power to make us sick? It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. He attempted the genocide of In fact, it can be read as if David approached it as only a minor administrative matter. Ezekiel 18:19-20 Yet you say, 'Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?' Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. The midrash states that when Saul learned of this, he was angry with his daughter and demanded of her: Why did you deceive me and let my enemy escape? The Gibeonites merely asked for a mutual help pact that would guarantee not only mercy and aid from Israel, but protection from their common enemies. Samuel turns away; Saul grabs at him and only catches his robe, and tears it. David may have begun to think about this now, "What is going on here? What Saul did was commit another presumptuous sin. He was setting us an example of what we should be doing in a spiritual sense. fit into Creation? I dont think it was a matter of God allowing the Gibeonites to put to death Sauls sons. The Bible barely alludes to the king's mad scheme, but we know that Saul's plot miserably failed. I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. There was not a cloud in sight and you are the king. Exodus 21:23-25 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Why did Herod like to listen to John the Baptist, who criticized Herods lifestyle? WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. The Gibeonites left their mark on Israel's history in another wretched incident involving In 2 Samuel 21:1-14, we see that Saul committed an awful crime, and this caused famine in Israel. It does not seem to me that during this time of the three years of famine David was emulating the attitude that he wrote about in Psalm 34. What have they done? He got a little weird, throwing spears at David (and Jonathan too, once). They were going to come in there and just exterminate. Here we find the Gibeonites demand, and King David counter demandsNOT. It was common knowledge. Fifty years ago was 1957. Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. But it does not say so here in so many words. It would be the equivalent of an event somewhere between the Korean War and the Vietnam War. But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid, and struck the Philistine and killed him. This shows that this portion of the story in II Samuel 21, hanging the bodies for six months or so, was an additional curse upon the land. He understood it. I think that this was a test from God, and David failed spectacularly, except in keeping his promise to Jonathan. They are going to cause problems. These curses are things like diseases that might affect genetics, and they came as the result of sin. Now that we have established that there was a horrible massacre at some point in the past, remember there was sin, and there was a crime committed. In verse 7 we see the only thing in the entire situation that was any good at all. They have a discussion in the next few verses, and many Israelites want to go ahead and kill these Gibeonites for what they did. We have a very simple biblical principle here: God is just. Such a shame to destroy it all! Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." God affirms that the famine is punishment for Sauls massacre of the Gibeonites, who had been protected by a treaty since the Israelites first invaded the Promised Land ( Joshua 9:127 ). King Saul exhibited that hubris, that overweening pride in his own decisions and that unfounded confidence in his own good judgment that he brought certain and lasting disaster upon his own dynasty. Think about it. If He said that you are out of here, you are out of here. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. This has become known as the "eye for an eye principle." God is not bloodthirsty, but He had told them what to do. Instead, David brings back twice as many. he put the Gibeonites to death. King David is mentioned by name as a hero of faith. (Mark 6:20). & "Take heed that you be not deceived." During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, leaving them corrupt and faithless. When this righteous ruler turned to God, the Lord showed him that arrogant error of his predecessor. He received good marks in Scripture. Then Ishbi-Benob, who was one of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose bronze spear was three hundred shekels, who was bearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! And they sent them to Joshua at Gilgal. This incident of the famine took place rather late in David's life. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! They knew! Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. Oh, fear the LORD, you His saints! It was certainly alive and well in Israel. Why did he not seem to notice the first year and say to himself, "Hmm. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. Then, they went after Jericho, and it fell. And Samuel says, "See? Perhaps these last few verses suggest that, in burying the bones of Saul and Jonathan, David repented of his sins regarding this whole incident. Clarify These conflicting views on Saul would continue long past the biblical era and into modern times. However there is nothing in the text that indicates he did this. As we get to about verse 32 in Hebrews 11, Paul says that he does not have time to get to all the other heroes of faith that the Bible gives us. There is no record in the Bible of Saul killing Gibeonites. God sees behind the scenes. They haven't been put in Kish's sepulcher yet. Justice seems to have been served. So he brought up the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son from there; and they gathered the bones of those who had been hanged. He gets kicked down the societal ladder for his sin, and it takes three or four generations for the family to recover. The Israelites had promised not to And that day Joshua made them woodcutters and water carriers for the congregation and for the altar of the LORD, in the place which He would choose, even to this day. And those two are questionable. Jonathan and Saul led the or who shall stand in his holy place? This does not make any sense. There is a difference. Saul agreed, and off he went. Therefore, there was a different system of justice than what the Gentiles were used to. Some interesting similarities to New Testament times occur to me: The fact that David made a covenant with Jonathan regarding Jonathans house (1 Sam 20:14-16), would take precedence over all other reasons not to give up Mephibosheth, I would suppose. Wherever he turned, he harassed them. He could have done several things differently, perhaps giving the Gibeonites their freedom as a way to repay them. BATTLE AGAINST ENVY AND JEALOUSY We have an easier time identifying with the flawed, but heroic, Lancelot from the legends of King Arthur, because he is a lot more like ushe commits sin; he has faults. God said explicitly to destroy everything! It cut us off from God. Most people living in modern, Western culture better identify with flawed heroes, rather than perfect heroes. Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. ", "She's been doing that for six months? He did not perform any miracle, or any other thing to show that He was happy with the way that things turned out. Web16 And it happened at the end of three days, after they had made a covenant with them, that they heard that they were their neighbors who dwelt near them. He apparently killed David was Born Mar 2, 2022 A three-year famine occurs as a result of Sauls attack on the Gibeonites Mar 2, 2022. Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. And King David rolled over and let this happen. And, it certainly does not record that David took this to God for His solution to it. Why is it just now that you are waking up to this? Then, pray for all you are worth so that your relationship with God and Jesus Christ is strong when the famine hits. He has mercy, and holds the curses to just a few generations, but He allows the results of doing righteousness to last forever. Then David went and took the bones of Saul, and the bones of Jonathan his son, from the men of Jabesh Gilead who had stolen them from the street of Beth Shan, where the Philistines had hung them up, after the Philistines had struck down Saul in Gilboa. 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the WebThe biblical writer confirms this charge by stating that Saul tried to annihilate [ nkah, to inflict a dead blow] them (2 Sam. So you shall not pollute the land where you are [this is very important]; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. And as the one righteous person in the whole nation, he could have cried out, God would have heard, and God would have saved. Had him over to the palace a few times." Two years is a long time. But Joshua had the final decision. Share Israel and Judah," who may have fretted at the inconvenience of having the Gibeonites among them. It's much too heavy any more!" This is interesting. Something is wrong. He was thinking about a lot of other things. They got a couple of their men, maybe elders, and got them to appear like they came along distance. To re-establish peace between the two tribes, David fulfills the Gibeonites request to sacrifice two heirs of Israels throne, Sauls sons and grandsons. And he gathered an army and attacked the Amalekites, and delivered Israel from the hands of those who plundered them. And when Saul saw any strong man or any valiant man, he took him for himself. Numbers 35:34 "Therefore do not defile the land which you inhabit, in the midst of which I dwell; for I the LORD dwell among the children of Israel.'". However, that is not the case. He was distracted. For unknown reasons, Joshua and the elders of Israel quickly bit on this proposal. It does not seem so. 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